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Old 16th March 2019, 04:24 PM
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Will do.

Iíve been over it from top to bottom already.
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Old 17th March 2019, 11:50 AM
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A bit of an update re the S430.
I gave my company car to my wife for the week, and I drove the 430 all week, and we have driven it all weekend also.

The trip to my office (Group Truck Operations Of Volvo) at Minto is a 103k round trip.
The car has now clicked over 189,000 kms.
The car is averaging 8.8l/100k which I think is really good for a car of this bulk.
The air cond set to fully auto, is so good, once set, I never have to even look at it again.
The rear centre & rear side vents really pump out a good flow of air when needed.

The engine is silky smooth and quiet, right from start up.
The transmission is locked out from torque converter lock up until she is warm.
But that takes less than 5 minutes of driving.
I seem to notice the electronic throttle pedal is also less responsive when cold, I guess to not abuse the drive train until warm.

The Airmatic suspension is quite nice, especially on the rutted, corrugated & undulating roads around the new works of the Bagerys Creek airport building sites.
Quite bad bumps & holes are soaked up with ease at 80kph.
Potholes are soaked up quite well, however it does not like speed humps, no matter what speed they are traversed.

With new cross drilled rotors I fitted to the front and Bendix Euro pads Iíve fitted all round, the brakes are just outstanding, I have never felt more powerful brakes on a car.

Even at 17 years old & 189000 ks, the doors & seals are still rock solid and vault like in their operation.
All rubbers on the doors, windows and boot are still as new.
Not a huge fan of the drivers side convex rear view mirror, and even less of a fan of the multi focal passenger side mirror.
(The 560 external mirrors are THE best in the business.)

The double glazed windows are good at noise & heat insulation , however there is slight delamination happening for 2 or 3mm which is not seen when the windows are up, and hidden within the trim at the top of the doors.
No wind noise is evident at all.
Road noise is quiet, and there are almost zero mechanical noises entering the cabin.

The old tech audio unit with 10 speakers including a sub whoofer is outstanding.
I could only imagine what a newer model with DAB would sound like.

I now have a way to play all my old cassettes, and the 6 stacker in the boot works well.

The CD ROM sat nav is good, and gets you where you need to go, as long as you donít live in a new estate or road within the last 17 years.

I thought all W220 S Class had soft closing doors, but this car does not, maybe the post September 2002 update had them?

The cream leather interior and all wood trim work has aged very well. All seat bases are very springy, and fully supportive, even after this many yrears & kís.
The colour of all seats, door trims and carpet are still almost perfect, and will only need a clean.
All internal controls work perfectly, and the seats all work quietly as they should.

Leg room in the rear is outstanding, front legroom is very good also, but I have an issue where the under seat compartment at the front in the drivers seat, keeps rubbing against the back of my short legs.

The dash and all control areas do not show any loss of colour or deterioration of the coloured surfaces at all.
So the moulded colour finish of these areas are rock solid in holding the colour & not deteriorating at all.

Servicing the car is very easy, and an oil change with filter took less than 10 minutes. Love the oil filter access from the front of the engine right up top near the filler.
However I did remove the sump plug the night before to get all oil out as best as possible.

As already mentioned, the only down side, is some of the lower plastic seat trims and covers are embarrassingly bad.

All in all it has been an enjoyable week learning about and driving this car.
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Old 17th March 2019, 01:35 PM
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A bit of an update re the S430.
I gave my company car to my wife for the week, and I drove the 430 all week, and we have driven it all weekend also.

The trip to my office (Group Truck Operations Of Volvo) at Minto is a 103k round trip.
The car has now clicked over 189,000 kms.
The car is averaging 8.8l/100k which I think is really good for a car of this bulk.
The air cond set to fully auto, is so good, once set, I never have to even look at it again.
The rear centre & rear side vents really pump out a good flow of air when needed.

The engine is silky smooth and quiet, right from start up.
The transmission is locked out from torque converter lock up until she is warm.
But that takes less than 5 minutes of driving.
I seem to notice the electronic throttle pedal is also less responsive when cold, I guess to not abuse the drive train until warm.

The Airmatic suspension is quite nice, especially on the rutted, corrugated & undulating roads around the new works of the Bagerys Creek airport building sites.
Quite bad bumps & holes are soaked up with ease at 80kph.
Potholes are soaked up quite well, however it does not like speed humps, no matter what speed they are traversed.

With new cross drilled rotors I fitted to the front and Bendix Euro pads Iíve fitted all round, the brakes are just outstanding, I have never felt more powerful brakes on a car.

Even at 17 years old & 189000 ks, the doors & seals are still rock solid and vault like in their operation.
All rubbers on the doors, windows and boot are still as new.
Not a huge fan of the drivers side convex rear view mirror, and even less of a fan of the multi focal passenger side mirror.
(The 560 external mirrors are THE best in the business.)

The double glazed windows are good at noise & heat insulation , however there is slight delamination happening for 2 or 3mm which is not seen when the windows are up, and hidden within the trim at the top of the doors.
No wind noise is evident at all.
Road noise is quiet, and there are almost zero mechanical noises entering the cabin.

The old tech audio unit with 10 speakers including a sub whoofer is outstanding.
I could only imagine what a newer model with DAB would sound like.

I now have a way to play all my old cassettes, and the 6 stacker in the boot works well.

The CD ROM sat nav is good, and gets you where you need to go, as long as you donít live in a new estate or road within the last 17 years.

I thought all W220 S Class had soft closing doors, but this car does not, maybe the post September 2002 update had them?

The cream leather interior and all wood trim work has aged very well. All seat bases are very springy, and fully supportive, even after this many yrears & kís.
The colour of all seats, door trims and carpet are still almost perfect, and will only need a clean.
All internal controls work perfectly, and the seats all work quietly as they should.

Leg room in the rear is outstanding, front legroom is very good also, but I have an issue where the under seat compartment at the front in the drivers seat, keeps rubbing against the back of my short legs.

The dash and all control areas do not show any loss of colour or deterioration of the coloured surfaces at all.
So the moulded colour finish of these areas are rock solid in holding the colour & not deteriorating at all.

Servicing the car is very easy, and an oil change with filter took less than 10 minutes. Love the oil filter access from the front of the engine right up top near the filler.
However I did remove the sump plug the night before to get all oil out as best as possible.

As already mentioned, the only down side, is some of the lower plastic seat trims and covers are embarrassingly bad.

All in all it has been an enjoyable week learning about and driving this car.
I'm jealous...green with envy



But oh so happy for you
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Old 17th March 2019, 03:15 PM
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Great post Patrick, a few observations after 4500k's in my S500 LWB
I've been averaging 9.5L/100k's but did see 8.4 on a sector on the M1 up the coast. Is it the extra weight and displacement or my right foot?
I had my A/C gas reclaimed and regassed, as I do with every car that comes into my possession, 950g of refrigerant! and yes, it's faultless.
I didn't know the side windows were laminated double panes, mine are aftermarket tinted and I assumed the delamination at the edges was the tint failing. Still with the Auto A/C I never seem to open the windows. In the CLK I usually drove with the drivers window down.
Mine has the Bose option audio, which I think involves upgraded amps and speakers, I usually dismiss car audio systems out of hand but gotta admit this does sound good. Even with the radio you hear subtle instruments and sounds that are otherwise masked.
The soft close doors and boot are a great novelty, I revell in just closing them so they can take over. My children however are sick of me telling them "Don't slam the door"
Leg room in the LWB is simply expansive, and Ikey loves to pester his mother by moving her seat from the back.
Yes, the plastic lower seat trims are pathetic, I'll bet a Chrysler data entry clerk designed them. My passenger seat had a rattle which I've cured as a stop gap with blue tack.
Overall so so much car for the money.
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One thing I've not been able to sort with mine is the time and date setting on the comand and syncing it with the dash clock.
I've tried manually setting the date in the garage with no satellite reception and it will let me but not sync with the dash clock and reverts back to a 1999 date as soon as it connects.
I also cannot find Australia in the country list? Only european countries.
The dash clock displays the correct hour but the minutes are 8 slow, this is regardless of the time set/displayed on the Comand?
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Old 17th March 2019, 07:12 PM
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I find the owners manual way to large, confusing and keeps directing you to other parts of the manual, only to tell you not much at all.

The technical section doesnít cover engine oil at all. Zero information if you want to do your own oil changes.
The 560 manual is a third of the size, but is more comprehensive.

The command unit is so very in depth, and the manual only really touches on it.
So I will take a look and see what I can see re your clock synci issue.

My manual doesnít even cover the speed limiting function on the cruise control wand.
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Old 17th March 2019, 11:29 PM
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I find the owners manual way to large, confusing and keeps directing you to other parts of the manual, only to tell you not much at all.

The technical section doesnít cover engine oil at all. Zero information if you want to do your own oil changes.
The 560 manual is a third of the size, but is more comprehensive.

The command unit is so very in depth, and the manual only really touches on it.
So I will take a look and see what I can see re your clock synci issue.

My manual doesnít even cover the speed limiting function on the cruise control wand.
tell me about it. My wife's W211 is similar, 1000 page owners manual that seems to say nothing at all. took me 15 minutes to work out how to change the time first time daylight savings hit after we purchased the car. I think Jay leno had a comment on modern owners manuals that rings true, they spend more time on things like 'don't drink contents of battery' than describing the actual car.

The older ones are better again. I've got a 50's one at home that contains wiring diagram, valve adjustment specs and all sorts of stuff.

Great write up on the W220. Sounds like you are enjoying the car. Are you still going to sell it on, or is it growing on you more now?
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Old 18th March 2019, 04:47 AM
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I'm jealous...green with envy



But oh so happy for you
Ill bring the car for you to check out when itís all done Michel
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Old 18th March 2019, 04:54 AM
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Youíre exactly right Bryce,

But unfortunately there are people out there who would drink the contents of the battery and then hold the car company responsible.

Some of the things Iíve heard in the truck world like this is amazing, but we could be dealing with a 200 tonne missile here not a 2 tonne car.

Yes mate, I will be moving it on, but only after I am very happy that i have prepared a car that will give the next owners a lot of joy to own.

As you know not all cars are like this, you need to start with a really well looked after car to start with, this is a fantastic car, just needs a freshen up, and a bit of love.
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Great posts and fantastic contributions from you all. You just have to love that "Sand" colour with the light and airy upholstery. It makes such a pleasant change from dark grey and/or black. I've not looked at prices of this W220 Series for sale, but the dark coloured car certainly represents terrific value for money. Well, it's quite a sad state of affairs when a car of this calibre has such a low asking price.

Having regard to this particular thread, and the content of many threads and posts on models other than the W116 range, there seems to be quite a bit of merit to broaden the horizon of TK to incorporate some of the more recent models as well. Guys, please keep up the excellent coverage evident now. Regards Styria
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Lovely looking car enjoy it Patrick
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Thanks Motec,

Itís been a good learning curve on this car.
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Thanks Bryce,

That video is pretty good.
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Gents,

Here is another video showing more about the operation of the W220.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3kccAMG9plM

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