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Old 22nd November 2011, 09:25 AM
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No I wouldn't pay the extra for Mobil 1, particularly as a 6.9 needs so much (11L or so)! I wouldn't use the manual as gospel either as what's ok for a new car becomes less relevant as it gets older. I feel 5W and 10W is too thin for an older car and 20W is a little thick for an OHC engine. It'll also rob you of what power it has left.... At the end of the day whatever eliminates those horrible noises (if any) is probably the correct one to use.
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Old 22nd November 2011, 10:21 AM
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Surely the MB owners manual is correct in saying the correct oil viscosity for my 260E is 10W40 or 10W50 M103 2.6ltr straight six engine?

260E has terrific acceleration the last almost 4 years I have owned the car.

I am confused now should I be using 10W40 or 10W50 or 20W50?


Oil and filter is changed every 5,000kms.

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Old 22nd November 2011, 11:34 AM
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I buy my filters two at a time when I make an order from Autohausaz.com.
They cost very little (around the $15 from memory)and have always arrived in a Mann box and include all the O-rings.

I use Redline 20-50 in my 6.9 (Hyperexpensive) and plain old Castrol GTX 20-50 in my 450.

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Old 22nd November 2011, 12:40 PM
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260ebenz, I'm not saying the manual is incorrect, just that it was applicable when the car was new. Perhaps not so much now, but that's just my opinion. The ideal viscosity (and oil additive package) depends on many factors such as engine type, wear (km), sludge, usage, environment and noises. Your engine will soon tell you if it's not happy.... In your car I'd look at the 10W-40. Personally I wouldn't change the oil and filter every 5K, as I believe it's overservicing. I'd wait till 10K. But my Ford and the 6.9 were originally scheduled for servicing every 15K. Personally I think that's too long, so I try to add a service inbetween at 7.5K. If I tried sticking to every 10K on the Ford and the 6.9s it'd throw the schedule and records waaaay out and I'd have no clue what was due when. Hope that's not too confusing, as I think I just confused myself!!
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Old 22nd November 2011, 03:33 PM
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Thanks Oversize.
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Old 22nd November 2011, 07:10 PM
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Just to give you a perspective Tim, my 45oSE has had an oil and filter change every 3000kms all its life. That is, 95 oil and filter changes. Now if we allow $100 (approx) for each change, then the costy has been $9,500. If the changes had been done at every 6000kms then the cost for the past 32 years would be $4750. As the previous owner had sent the car for a full MB service every 3000kms before I bought it he must have spent at least $36,000 on service costs if I allwo $500 per service in today's money. Of course it was probably more...
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Old 24th November 2011, 01:49 PM
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I am not sure that a 6.9 in good condition driven regularly with good oil would suffer any problems with 15,000 km oil change interval due to the dispersal in the 12 litres or so of oil in the system .

Quite different for the ones "less often driven".

Modern Benzes are back to 25,000 km oil change intervals but oil removed from a petrol Benz at 12,500 (I do my own intermediate oil change in my E500 and ML 320 CDI) still looks like new.

What are the wear points anyway - likely all timing chain related - and in an M100 or M117 that is only a few hundred dollars if you replace the chain yourself.

Different with the newer aluminium engines with more precious bores in nikasil or the newer improved coating used in AMG cars and next years 3 litre diesel.

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Old 25th November 2011, 04:08 AM
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I believe that applies to cigarette packaging - not to motor oil.
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Hi BenzBoy, precisely my point - it was just all tongue in cheek, and I certainly meant to be sarcastic, having a swipe at "Big Brother' telling us what to do, or better still 'not to do'. I smoked fifty a day, for fifty years, and gave up three and a half years ago without the aid of anti depressants (), cold turkey, and all only because I wanted to. Still alive today - in case no-one had noticed. Regards Styria

N.B. Anyway, how many of us are influenced by the packaging of the containers ? Plain olive green ? I bet the cars will still go even if we stuck the K-Mart special into our engines.
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Old 25th November 2011, 04:20 AM
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Hi Bill, getting back to your fifteen thousand kms. oil changes for your 6.9 - I tried this once, and honestly the brown syrup, that came out like thin, dirty soup, convinced me to never wait that long again. That was Mobil1, at a time when it cost about $65.00 for five liters, but I have changed back to minerals mainly on account of the cost factor.

Just as a matter of interest, Bill, since buying your 6.9 from AMG 69, how many kilometers have you travelled in that car since that time ? Especially, considering that you have your E500 (?) as well as the ML500. Regards Styria
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Old 25th November 2011, 04:43 PM
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I would have to check the records but my 6.9 has done about 11,500km in the last four years (Purchased 23-09-07) - without a single "failure to proceed".

In the meantime my ML500 did 65,000 in 3 years, my E500 has done 24,000(In under 1 year - I still love the drive) and that doesn't include the mileage I have driven in my wife's ML320 CDI or my BA Falcon (about 50,000 km in four years).

I drive close to 40,000 km per year but spread over several cars.

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Hi Bill, getting back to your fifteen thousand kms. oil changes for your 6.9 - I tried this once, and honestly the brown syrup, that came out like thin, dirty soup, convinced me to never wait that long again. That was Mobil1, at a time when it cost about $65.00 for five liters, but I have changed back to minerals mainly on account of the cost factor.

Just as a matter of interest, Bill, since buying your 6.9 from AMG 69, how many kilometers have you travelled in that car since that time ? Especially, considering that you have your E500 (?) as well as the ML500. Regards Styria
$65 for Mobil1 what year was that Styria?

I was at Super Cheap today new store at Nelson Bay Mobil1 was $95 for 5ltrs.

Castrol, Shell & Valvoline prices not to bad and Penrite was a good price.

Penrite 15W40 5ltrs recommened for 1990 vehicles onwards was $45.
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Old 25th November 2011, 07:29 PM
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$65 for Mobil1 what year was that Styria?
It was probably 1990
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Old 25th November 2011, 08:25 PM
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As I said I can't justify that price considering it's no thicker than water and would probably cause alarming noises and additional external oil leaks. I'd much prefer to buy middle-of-the-road oil (ie not the cheapest, but not the dearest either)....
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Previous experiences with Penrite oils was great.

Going to use the Penrite 15W40 next oil change $45 each I will need two bottles 260E needs 6.5ltrs for an oil change.

I just hope for $45 each the Penrite is not thicker than water I only want to use good oil for my Mercedes.
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I changed the oil and filter in Blue Flame recently and after jacking it up on a level surface, I dropped the engine sump plug, engine tank plug, oil filter housing and also removed the pipe at the bottom of the oil cooler (Euro). The front spoiler was removed to avoid oil from the cooler going everywhere. I needed three containers and a drip tray, so oil wouldn't cover the barn floor. The 15L container went under the engine sump, a 10L under the oil cooler and another where the filter housing bolts up. The drip tray went under the oil tank. I intended to let it drain over night, but it ended up being a couple of days, as I wasn't sure when it was done last and I had other things more urgent. Any longer and the spiders and dust would've moved in!

Here's the oil filter housing after a clean:



And all the bits that go with a thorough oil change on a 6.9:



Note that the oil tank plug has seen better days and will be replaced the next time:



I bet many of you didn't know there was an 'O' ring in there. And sadly a new one isn't supplied with a filter kit.



It's almost hard to believe there's a washer on the end of the shaft. Obviously it's been a while since it was replaced:



Told you:



And where's the damn washer for the tank plug? Hmmm??



This comes in VERY handy:



And to complete the whole job... One of these:



And one of these:

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