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Old 12th August 2019, 12:37 PM
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Always a big fan of cold air intakes since reading that for every 2 degrees of ambient Air Temperature increase you lose 1 H.P. Of course with hundreds of H.P from huge V8s what is a few H.P. between friends !
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Well it can only get cleaner!! Mock up manifold on spare engine starting next shed day...



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Slow progress trying not to snap the bolts through the coolant passages! Progress regardless...


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Currently looking at up to three worldwide patents, trademarks, a new ABN, Fed & State government grants. Seems thereís very little in the way of manufacturing grants & itís clear the powers that be donít really care in Australia!
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Currently looking at up to three worldwide patents, trademarks, a new ABN, Fed & State government grants. Seems thereís very little in the way of manufacturing grants & itís clear the powers that be donít really care in Australia!
As in you're worried about the possibility of infringing other patents?
I would have thought that intake manifolds for a car of this age are not 'novel' - more the application of well known techniques that were not cost effective when the cars were new.
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There's very few man made devices that I've found to be perfect, or without any need for improvement. ICE inlets are no different. The Benz ones are severely compromised by the CIS/E systems, not because the concept is flawed, but because of the physical size of the systems.

It appears to me that development has ceased in favor of forced induction, which is like using a sledge hammer to drive a nail. My design still uses the fundamental principles but is quite different to the early styles and current concepts. It is adaptable to ANY engine hence the plan to apply for patent/s.

The main hurdles I face are the basic lack of space between the heads and an attempt to keep it all under the bonnet.
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There's very few man made devices that I've found to be perfect, or without any need for improvement. ICE inlets are no different. The Benz ones are severely compromised by the CIS/E systems, not because the concept is flawed, but because of the physical size of the systems.

It appears to me that development has ceased in favor of forced induction, which is like using a sledge hammer to drive a nail. My design still uses the fundamental principles but is quite different to the early styles and current concepts. It is adaptable to ANY engine hence the plan to apply for patent/s.

The main hurdles I face are the basic lack of space between the heads and an attempt to keep it all under the bonnet.
Makes sense.
My experience of patents in the software industry is that they are only valuable if you're going to aggressively defend them, and to aggressively defend them you're going to need very deep pockets.

I've just gone through the process of registering one in the United states, Australia and europe and its probably cost around $50-100k all up. This does not include any litigation, just going through the process, responding to objections, having them drafted legally. The particular patent I am referring to has been a four year process.

Granted the company I work for uses a fairly expensive law firm to do the legal work but even so.

The other value patents have is when you're selling B2B in high value (7+ figure) sales, it can help to have the patent to charge a premium price. This does not really apply to B2C as consumers don't care.
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Of course first major step is proving that it actually works better than previous designs...

And with patents the chicken/egg quandary rules, where it’s hard to build something then test it thoroughly without letting the cat out (and having your design pinched), but the flip side is paying for a pointless patent on something that doesn’t actually work.

Even worse is the thought that a big company will copy your design knowing the little guy owner doesn’t have the financial support to enforce the patent in court....

Then there’s EPA certification which is another giant hurdle, but it has be done by a previous TK member with a earlier V8 in an XF which on the face of it would normally be banned. Proof that it can be done if you’re determined enough to go through the process.
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There’s different types of patents & im hoping the ones I seek cost far less and can also be enforced worldwide.
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BTW Iíve gone through nearly 2 complete notebooks of concepts before I settled on one which I thought might meet my criteria!
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By the way if all else fails I know of a sheet metal guy in Melbourne who makes metal cowl bonnets even down to keeping centre spine if bonnet has one.
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That may come in handy since thereís no-where for extra heat to escape, so Iím also looking at venting options!
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Itís no coincidence I now have M116/117, M100 and M119 engines with which to experiment. Nor is it a coincidence the M119 bears lots of similarities with the Coyote and current Mustang donks. The Buick nailhead is also a pet project...

The GM LS series and Buick 455 present additional challenges but nothing that cannot be overcome.






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The upper plenum on the small block Ford EB to AU is a terrible design & goes a long way to explaining why they make the right noises, but are heavy on fuel & low on power....
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Todayís developments after getting there late. Achieved my goal of not snapping one bolt! Seems like EGR channels are the culprit...









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