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Old 29th April 2017, 06:48 PM
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Greetings Motrec,
20 H.P is correct but you have the wrong one here. By the way, the car advertised is a 20 H.P. but it should not be called a Goshawk. That name applies only to the first 20 H.P made.
So Motec, you are quite warm now.
To be our Grand Winner you need to find out when the car was made and for whom.
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The other one forsale is listed as a Martin and King body and was for Melbournes lord mayor.
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You will not find any joy in the For Sale sections ......
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Nevertheless, it's great detective work on the part of Motec 6.9. To be truthful, I would not have known where to start. Regards. Styria
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Is it 82K3... the Kelvinator?
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Sorry Michel.
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Here is a picture of the body plate, courtesy of the RROCA:

https://rroc.org.au/register/20hp/na...humbnails.html



The fact that the plate has been removed, makes me think the car may have been later rebodied?
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Ah Bryce - you are like Motec - warmish ......
I'll give you all a couple of more days.
Now I'll give you one further clue: Dame Nancy Buttfield.
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Ah Bryce - you are like Motec - warmish ......
I'll give you all a couple of more days.
Now I'll give you one further clue: Dame Nancy Buttfield.
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Good clue. Dame Buttfield was a member of the Holden family (Great-grand daughter of JA Holden), so of course they would have made the body for her car. She later went on to be a Senator from South Australia and broken down many barriers for women in parliament.

The car must have been bodied before GM purchased Holden in 1931, but that fits with the car being a 20hp.
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Good clue. Dame Buttfield was a member of the Holden family (Great-grand daughter of JA Holden), so of course they would have made the body for her car. She later went on to be a Senator from South Australia and broken down many barriers for women in parliament.

The car must have been bodied before GM purchased Holden in 1931, but that fits with the car being a 20hp.
Excellent line of reasoning here. Keep digging; you are almost there.
Coming soon is a photo of the car concerned ......
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Looking at dates, I don't think Dame Buttfield can be the original owner of the car. The 20hp was offered between 1922 and 1929. She was born in Nov 1912. I can't see a teenage girl owning a Rolls royce in the 20s.

Since the body would have almost certainly been made before 1931, its unlikely she purchased the car used and then commissioned a body as the dates don't fit for that either.

So my current theory is that she inherited the car from another member of the Holden family and the body was made for that individual. I would imagine it was probably her father, Sir Edward Holden, who died in 1947.
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Looking at dates, I don't think Dame Buttfield can be the original owner of the car. The 20hp was offered between 1922 and 1929. She was born in Nov 1912. I can't see a teenage girl owning a Rolls royce in the 20s.

Since the body would have almost certainly been made before 1931, its unlikely she purchased the car used and then commissioned a body as the dates don't fit for that either.

So my current theory is that she inherited the car from another member of the Holden family and the body was made for that individual. I would imagine it was probably her father, Sir Edward Holden, who died in 1947.
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I'm going to guess that Edward Holden treated himself to the car when he became the boss around 1926. Even thought the tarrifs were on buying a complete car, and not a chassis, a 20hp RR would have been an extraordinarily expensive motor car for the time. Certainly more so than the normal chassis Holden were building bodies for at the time.

How Dame Buttfield came to have the car I do not know. I read somewhere she said he never inherited anything to do with holden, but by 1947 the car would not have been worth much. She was married in 1940, perhaps it was a wedding present? Or perhaps her mother inherited it and she got it from there.
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OK - Bryce; you get the Award.
Here's the story:

Yes it is 1926 Twenty H.P., GCK10. It was ordered by Henry J Holden for his wife and fitted with a blue Holden saloon and steel artillery wheels. It went to his son Edward (later Sir) and in 1929 a Holden fixed-head coupe replaced the earlier body for Edward's daughter, Nancy. (Later Dame Nancy Buttfield.)
It was modernized, possibly by Holden with new front guards and cut-down wheels prior to sale in 1936.
It is now in regular use and owned by a gentleman in Wagga.

So it had 2 Holden bodies, the second of which may have been changed by Holden to its current form.

There was a story that when GCK10 was being bodied each piece of the work had to be accounted for in the normal way. So chits were duly filled out and filled under “miscellaneous”, which quickly became the single highest expenditure item in the works. Probably apocryphal! It is also said that cost over-runs on other projects were accounted to this car - making it the most expensive Holden-built body. True or not, I don't know.

Here is a picture of the car at the ACT Rally earlier in the year.





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