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Old 10th November 2011, 08:22 AM
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Default M100 oil filters

Well I priced some filters yesterday and boy what a difference between the cheapest and the dearest:

MB: $100,
Imparts: $75+tax,
Hanvic: $35+tax.

Yes the Hanvic ones don't come with O-rings (or washers), but there's no way MB can justify $65 for them! Apparently Hanvic haven't carried the O-rings for so long (probably since I last ordered them) that they didn't even know the part number or the price! And I don't know why they wouldn't carry them, as the elements are almost completely useless on their own (you risk having substantial oil leaks if they're not replaced with the element).... I was fortunate that I had the forethought to order 10 O-rings from Hanvic quite a while ago, so I just order two elements and they'll be delivered to my door today or tomorrow for around $85.

More of a concern was the fact that none of the suppliers had any filters in stock and they had to come from interstate. So judging by the lack of filters on the shelves here, how many 6.9s and 6.3s are left in Victoria?
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Old 10th November 2011, 09:22 AM
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There is a list on the M100 site of filters for M100 engines that I compiled a few years ago.

I received an email this week from someone I know at MB Australia regarding pricing, and this is what he said:

"I know the pricing structure is frustrating, and I guess more people today are using the internet, and I can only assume our pricing will change".

For obvious reasons, I will not name the individual.
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Old 10th November 2011, 12:03 PM
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Autohaus AZ: US$15.75, no tax, but add shipping from the US: Oil Filter

Includes washers and o-rings!

Pricey to ship just one, so order lots.

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Old 10th November 2011, 09:18 PM
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Oversize did you try Repco or Auto Barn for oil filters?

Prices you mentioned do seem expensive for oil filters!

Shop around and compare prices can't hurt to get more than one quote for parts.

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Old 10th November 2011, 10:19 PM
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I wonder now if MB confused M100 with $100!!!

Tim I seriously doubt they'd carry them, but it can't hurt to try.... Ah the trials n tribulations of having a rare(ish) car!!!
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Old 11th November 2011, 03:53 AM
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I normally charge about $42.00 for an oil filter. I found out long ago that the filters came without the 'O' rings, and I bought a supply of those from an independent supplier, so that's never been a problem. Those filters, incidentally, are twice the size of normal 'every day' filters, and probably four times the size of the filter for the Gen IV Chevy engine (5.7 liters) in the Statesman. As a matter of interest, that filter trades for about $10.00 and comes all the way from Poland to be sold by the Holden dealers as original equipment or spare part.. Regards Styria

N.B. A quick word about those small in-line fuel filters for the Rover V8 - the original, from Rover, with beautifully crafted connections, would last at least ten years - yes, ten. A Ryco replacement, with lousy push on rubber fittings from Repco, would have a working life of no more than 12 months. Timing Chain - Rover original - 20 years at least, Repco 'roller' replacement - worn out after eighteen months. So you can imagine, I am not a real friend of the Repco Company.
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Old 12th November 2011, 06:43 AM
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Well two filters arrived yesterday and they have the O-rings and washers in the boxes! I'll have to go back into the shed to get the brand, but I know they're not Mann. All for the grand total of $84.04 delivered, so I think I did pretty well. I'm lucky I can get these at trade prices... Now I'm off to put em on with some lovely new engine oil.
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Old 12th November 2011, 07:54 AM
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Excellent news Mark if the filters not Mann what was the name of the filters?

What oil are you using?

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Old 20th November 2011, 08:13 AM
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I'm headed out to the garage today so I'll have a look. I use Shell oils now, but I wasn't a fan until I started work for Mercedes. The slightly pink tint of the fully synthetic and the slight green tint of the semi had me intrigued. I'd tried Castrol, Mobil and Penrite previously but after the Shell stuff solved a rattle problem I had in my old ZB Fairlane, I switched to Shell and haven't looked back since. Mobil 1 resembles water too much for my liking. The only problem with Shell is that they offer different viscosities but the colour of the packaging remains the same. The tinters are different now and it doesn't flow out of the bottle the same as it did when I first switched. All very confusing. I'll check the bottle and the filter brand shortly...
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Old 21st November 2011, 09:05 PM
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Well here's two pics of the filter which should explain all:




And the oil that I use:



Not to be confused with:



Or (no I wouldn't use this in a MB). I was going to use this in my Ford, but I decided against it, as it's not semi-synthetic:

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Old 21st November 2011, 10:25 PM
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Have seen both brands of filters before at my MB Mechanics he uses the same filters.

Using Fuchs oil with a 10W40 oil viscosity as per my MB owners manual the manual says to use 10W40 6.5ltrs.

Previously used Valvoline for oil changes in the 260E.

Have not tried Penrite oil or Mobil1 in the 260E for an oil change would either oil be good to use for my model Mercedes?

Isn't Fuchs oil German made and is it a good oil to use?

Mark what is the Shell oil like you are using?

Nelson Bay will have our own Super Cheap Auto store which opens in two weeks just in time for Christmas I will be buying my oil from there.

It's good to have a Super Cheap 10mins away from my place instead of a 45min drive to Newcastle.

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Hi Timmy, be careful with Supercheap Auto. They're not always that super cheap. Of course, you can put Repco in that category as well, and I think that Burson Automotives take the cake - the priciest of all. I buy my oil from a small retailer locally, and I have been able to squeeze him a bit for lower pricing. It's funny though - eighteen months ago, I bought a battery for a 6.3 for $150.00 my price - retail $195.00. Fifteen months later, my price $165.00, retail $195.00. I decided not to question the guy, but it illustrates something, doesn't it ?

Mark, I think your choice of oil is excellent, but then again most modern oils need to be up to par. I use Castrol Magnetite, or Valvoline Semi-Synthetic, but it costs a bit. Timmy, Fuchs is certainly a German name, but the oil need not necessarily come from Germany. As a matter of interest, is anyone influenced by 'attractive' packaging of the container ? BTW, I have reason to believe that from December next year oil manufacturers will only be able to use plain olive green colours when displayed for sale on shelves.

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Old 22nd November 2011, 07:20 AM
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Styria, talk about over-regulation! What on earth for?? How confusing will it be then?? It's bad enough now with only a couple being the same colour....
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Hi Timmy, be careful with Supercheap Auto. They're not always that super cheap. Of course, you can put Repco in that category as well, and I think that Burson Automotives take the cake - the priciest of all. I buy my oil from a small retailer locally, and I have been able to squeeze him a bit for lower pricing. It's funny though - eighteen months ago, I bought a battery for a 6.3 for $150.00 my price - retail $195.00. Fifteen months later, my price $165.00, retail $195.00. I decided not to question the guy, but it illustrates something, doesn't it ?

Mark, I think your choice of oil is excellent, but then again most modern oils need to be up to par. I use Castrol Magnetite, or Valvoline Semi-Synthetic, but it costs a bit. Timmy, Fuchs is certainly a German name, but the oil need not necessarily come from Germany. As a matter of interest, is anyone influenced by 'attractive' packaging of the container ? BTW, I have reason to believe that from December next year oil manufacturers will only be able to use plain olive green colours when displayed for sale on shelves.

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I believe that applies to cigarette packaging - not to motor oil.
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Hi Timmy, be careful with Supercheap Auto. They're not always that super cheap. Of course, you can put Repco in that category as well, and I think that Burson Automotives take the cake - the priciest of all. I buy my oil from a small retailer locally, and I have been able to squeeze him a bit for lower pricing. It's funny though - eighteen months ago, I bought a battery for a 6.3 for $150.00 my price - retail $195.00. Fifteen months later, my price $165.00, retail $195.00. I decided not to question the guy, but it illustrates something, doesn't it ?

Mark, I think your choice of oil is excellent, but then again most modern oils need to be up to par. I use Castrol Magnetite, or Valvoline Semi-Synthetic, but it costs a bit. Timmy, Fuchs is certainly a German name, but the oil need not necessarily come from Germany. As a matter of interest, is anyone influenced by 'attractive' packaging of the container ? BTW, I have reason to believe that from December next year oil manufacturers will only be able to use plain olive green colours when displayed for sale on shelves.

Regards Styria
Thank you Styria appreciate the advice.

Plain packaging for ciggies will be plain olive green colours not sure if they will real make people quit the ciggies though??

Back to oils I use to use Penrite 20W50 oil in my old 230E it was excellent.

I have yet to try Penrite oil in the 260E either 10W40 or 10W50 is the suitable oil viscosity according to my MB manual.

Last I checked Mobil1 at Super Cheap, Autobarn, Repco was quite expensive but is it worth the $?

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